Comments on: Buehrle/Zito http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/buehrlezito/ People don't think it be like it is, but it do. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 05:44:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.7 by: Cliffy http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/buehrlezito/#comment-557 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:09:34 +0000 http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/buehrlezito/#comment-557 That is a steal for the White Sox if it indeed gets done, as its not official just yet. Now I suspect that Buehrle and his family can live very comfortably on that $50 million (less agent fees and taxes, still a nice number) - on top of the $27 million he's grossed thusfar in his career... so if we want to call it a "hometown discount", fine... but if Buehrle agrees to that deal, clearly he's *not* "just about the money". In short, he could get a lot closer to $126 million than to $50 million on the open market. He and his agent have to know that. That is a steal for the White Sox if it indeed gets done, as its not official just yet. Now I suspect that Buehrle and his family can live very comfortably on that $50 million (less agent fees and taxes, still a nice number) - on top of the $27 million he’s grossed thusfar in his career… so if we want to call it a “hometown discount”, fine… but if Buehrle agrees to that deal, clearly he’s *not* “just about the money”. In short, he could get a lot closer to $126 million than to $50 million on the open market. He and his agent have to know that.

]]> by: Gonzo http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/buehrlezito/#comment-556 Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:32:12 +0000 http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/buehrlezito/#comment-556 Meanwhile, he signed a 4 year extension worth a "paltry" $50 million. Peanuts, compared to that Zito contract... Meanwhile, he signed a 4 year extension worth a “paltry” $50 million. Peanuts, compared to that Zito contract…

]]> by: Cliffy http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/buehrlezito/#comment-555 Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:26:28 +0000 http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/buehrlezito/#comment-555 Based on the fact that he's a year younger and has put up better numbers, I'd say he's right. Doesn't mean someone will give it to him like Sabean gave it to Zito... but if I were him (or his agent), darn straight I'd use Zito's contract as the starting point in discussions - backed up by numbers like the ones posted above. Based on the fact that he’s a year younger and has put up better numbers, I’d say he’s right. Doesn’t mean someone will give it to him like Sabean gave it to Zito… but if I were him (or his agent), darn straight I’d use Zito’s contract as the starting point in discussions - backed up by numbers like the ones posted above.

]]> by: Gonzo http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/buehrlezito/#comment-554 Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:19:06 +0000 http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/buehrlezito/#comment-554 I read/heard somewhere that Burehrle thinks Zito's contract is a pretty good barometer for him. Wow... I read/heard somewhere that Burehrle thinks Zito’s contract is a pretty good barometer for him. Wow…

]]> by: Cliffy http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/buehrlezito/#comment-553 Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:57:03 +0000 http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/buehrlezito/#comment-553 Hmmm... I hadn't heard about his apparent intent on going to St. Louis. If that's the case, then I expect (and hope) Theo will not be interested in him for only a half-season unless (a) Schilling is hurt more than we thought, and (b) Buerhle can be add "cheap" (i.e. no top prospects). To answer my own question: If the Red Sox actually could sign Buerhle to a long-term deal, then I'd surrender Lester and an OF prospect not named Ellsbury - i.e. Brandon Moss or David Murphy. Both appear poised to potentially be decent ML OFs (think Matt Murton) - and the White Sox will need OF help when Dye goes (either via trade at mid-season or via FA at the end of the season). If a third prospect, a lesser prospect, needs to be thrown in... fine. But I wouldn't move Buchholz, cuz his ceiling appears to be higher than what Buerhle is. I think Lester's ceiling is what Buehrle already is (and should continue to be for the next 3-5 years), so that's why I'd be okay moving Lester. I like Ellsbury's speed to cover CF, and to give the Sox that component offensively - but Moss and Murphy won't see appreciable time in Boston with Drew there another several years and Manny potentially there another several years (if the Sox pick up the options, which they very well may). Assuming Lester would go, I'd then *not* include (in addition to Buchholz) Bowden, Masterson or Bard. Regarding Delcarmen and/or Hansen, their trade value seems to have plummetted since they were perhaps considered near "untouchable" in 2006 (at least by many fans), so its hard to see them included in any deadline deals... but moving one or the other to get this deal done is also fine with me. Like I said... this is all based on the apparently misguided notion that the Red Sox can actually sign Buehrle to a long-term deal if/when they acquire him. Hmmm… I hadn’t heard about his apparent intent on going to St. Louis. If that’s the case, then I expect (and hope) Theo will not be interested in him for only a half-season unless (a) Schilling is hurt more than we thought, and (b) Buerhle can be add “cheap” (i.e. no top prospects).

To answer my own question: If the Red Sox actually could sign Buerhle to a long-term deal, then I’d surrender Lester and an OF prospect not named Ellsbury - i.e. Brandon Moss or David Murphy. Both appear poised to potentially be decent ML OFs (think Matt Murton) - and the White Sox will need OF help when Dye goes (either via trade at mid-season or via FA at the end of the season). If a third prospect, a lesser prospect, needs to be thrown in… fine. But I wouldn’t move Buchholz, cuz his ceiling appears to be higher than what Buerhle is. I think Lester’s ceiling is what Buehrle already is (and should continue to be for the next 3-5 years), so that’s why I’d be okay moving Lester.

I like Ellsbury’s speed to cover CF, and to give the Sox that component offensively - but Moss and Murphy won’t see appreciable time in Boston with Drew there another several years and Manny potentially there another several years (if the Sox pick up the options, which they very well may).

Assuming Lester would go, I’d then *not* include (in addition to Buchholz) Bowden, Masterson or Bard. Regarding Delcarmen and/or Hansen, their trade value seems to have plummetted since they were perhaps considered near “untouchable” in 2006 (at least by many fans), so its hard to see them included in any deadline deals… but moving one or the other to get this deal done is also fine with me.

Like I said… this is all based on the apparently misguided notion that the Red Sox can actually sign Buehrle to a long-term deal if/when they acquire him.

]]> by: shtiny http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/buehrlezito/#comment-551 Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:08:41 +0000 http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/buehrlezito/#comment-551 That is really not a fair question, because unless you are the Cardinals, you can't assume you are going to sign him past this year. The question is really what would you give up for a 3 month rental of very good left-handed pitcher. Despite what Ken Rosental says http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6955650 he is not coming to the Brewers, and I wouldn't want to give up the package that it would take to get him. I don't think the Sox are going to get what they want for Buehrle, since he has already decided to sign with St. Louis in the offseason That is really not a fair question, because unless you are the Cardinals, you can’t assume you are going to sign him past this year. The question is really what would you give up for a 3 month rental of very good left-handed pitcher. Despite what Ken Rosental says http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6955650

he is not coming to the Brewers, and I wouldn’t want to give up the package that it would take to get him. I don’t think the Sox are going to get what they want for Buehrle, since he has already decided to sign with St. Louis in the offseason

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