Comments on: More Heat-Trashing http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/more-heat-trashing/ People don't think it be like it is, but it do. Sun, 20 May 2012 08:12:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.7 by: Cliffy http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/more-heat-trashing/#comment-2059 Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:19:31 +0000 http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/more-heat-trashing/#comment-2059 Um... after 8 seasons in Philly without a championship, didn't Barkley go to Phoenix "try to win a ring"? Now yes, he didn't go via FA - instead he facilitated a trade (ironic given his current displeasure with Chris Paul's efforts to secure a trade from the woeful Hornets in order to "try to win a ring"). And then when his four years in Phoenix only produced a Finals appearance (in Year 1), he facilitated a trade to the two-time defending champion Rockets. His bad luck *that* was the season Jordan returned to the Bulls (with Pippen and Rodman, among others, IIRC), to go on another three-peat run of titles. Btw, Barkley was league MVP in his first season in Phoenix (and deservedly so, as I recall) - but didn't win one in Philly. Was he holding back in Philly? I don't think in the history of sports you can find a universally-recognized top-50 All-Time Player in his sport who leaves a team after 8 years and *then* leads his new team to a Finals appearance in that first year - thus perhaps calling into question his efforst before the move. See... I can play the small sample size game too. As for Jordan, it's widely known that he hated Bulls GM Jerry Krause - which is ironic, given that Krause did such a terrific job of getting Jordan the pieces he needed to win his six titles. Hey Michael, if Charles was on the Bulls, and you were on the Sixers, then Suns, then Rockets... still think you'd have six titles and he'd have none? Really? Tank hits the nail right on the head: Lebron tried to get people to come to the Mistake By the Lake... they wouldn't come. So he went to them. He's going to "subjugate" his game for the betterment of the team in pursuit of a title (and very well may join Oscar Robertson as the only other player to average a triple-double for an entire season, btw... think about it). Isn't that laudable? Shouldn't we be praising this superstar for his willingness to do what's needed for the team? He gave Cleveland everything he had for seven seasons (well, up until the final minute of Game 6 vs. Boston, when he and his whole team inexplicably quit - but I digress). He should've given the franchise a heads-up rather than them having to learn it from a TV show.. yes - but that's *all* he did wrong. If he stays in Cleveland (and can never get any in-their-prime FAs to come) and never wins a title, then he's Karl Malone and John Stockton and Charles Barkley... great player who couldn't get it done. If he goes to Miami and wins it all, then he rode D-Wade's coattails to one (or more) championships. Either way, the media will spin it that he loses. In the latter scenario, the actual scenario, he still wins championships. Does anyone truly believe he could single-handedly deliver a title to Cleveland? Wake up. He tried. It didn't happen. He moved on. So should everyone else. Um… after 8 seasons in Philly without a championship, didn’t Barkley go to Phoenix “try to win a ring”? Now yes, he didn’t go via FA - instead he facilitated a trade (ironic given his current displeasure with Chris Paul’s efforts to secure a trade from the woeful Hornets in order to “try to win a ring”). And then when his four years in Phoenix only produced a Finals appearance (in Year 1), he facilitated a trade to the two-time defending champion Rockets. His bad luck *that* was the season Jordan returned to the Bulls (with Pippen and Rodman, among others, IIRC), to go on another three-peat run of titles.

Btw, Barkley was league MVP in his first season in Phoenix (and deservedly so, as I recall) - but didn’t win one in Philly. Was he holding back in Philly? I don’t think in the history of sports you can find a universally-recognized top-50 All-Time Player in his sport who leaves a team after 8 years and *then* leads his new team to a Finals appearance in that first year - thus perhaps calling into question his efforst before the move. See… I can play the small sample size game too.

As for Jordan, it’s widely known that he hated Bulls GM Jerry Krause - which is ironic, given that Krause did such a terrific job of getting Jordan the pieces he needed to win his six titles. Hey Michael, if Charles was on the Bulls, and you were on the Sixers, then Suns, then Rockets… still think you’d have six titles and he’d have none? Really?

Tank hits the nail right on the head: Lebron tried to get people to come to the Mistake By the Lake… they wouldn’t come. So he went to them.

He’s going to “subjugate” his game for the betterment of the team in pursuit of a title (and very well may join Oscar Robertson as the only other player to average a triple-double for an entire season, btw… think about it). Isn’t that laudable? Shouldn’t we be praising this superstar for his willingness to do what’s needed for the team?

He gave Cleveland everything he had for seven seasons (well, up until the final minute of Game 6 vs. Boston, when he and his whole team inexplicably quit - but I digress). He should’ve given the franchise a heads-up rather than them having to learn it from a TV show.. yes - but that’s *all* he did wrong.

If he stays in Cleveland (and can never get any in-their-prime FAs to come) and never wins a title, then he’s Karl Malone and John Stockton and Charles Barkley… great player who couldn’t get it done. If he goes to Miami and wins it all, then he rode D-Wade’s coattails to one (or more) championships. Either way, the media will spin it that he loses. In the latter scenario, the actual scenario, he still wins championships. Does anyone truly believe he could single-handedly deliver a title to Cleveland? Wake up. He tried. It didn’t happen. He moved on. So should everyone else.

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