Comments on: Schilling and Mussina - HOF-worthy? http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/schilling-and-mussina-hof-worthy/ People don't think it be like it is, but it do. Sun, 20 May 2012 08:36:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.7 by: Cliffy http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/schilling-and-mussina-hof-worthy/#comment-1621 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:58:42 +0000 http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/schilling-and-mussina-hof-worthy/#comment-1621 I appear to be in the minority on Schilling vs. Mussina... interesting. Given that, I'll be even more curious to see how the voters feel about these two - especially if, as Gonzo suggests, they do indeed become eligible in the same year. I thought it went by the last season in which a guy played MLB, but I could be mistaken. For example, didn't Rickey Henderson play in some independent league (when he could no longer find MLB work), and that time didn't count "against him"? Or maybe that's different than DL/rehab time? I appear to be in the minority on Schilling vs. Mussina… interesting. Given that, I’ll be even more curious to see how the voters feel about these two - especially if, as Gonzo suggests, they do indeed become eligible in the same year. I thought it went by the last season in which a guy played MLB, but I could be mistaken. For example, didn’t Rickey Henderson play in some independent league (when he could no longer find MLB work), and that time didn’t count “against him”? Or maybe that’s different than DL/rehab time?

]]> by: Tank http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/schilling-and-mussina-hof-worthy/#comment-1619 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:55:00 +0000 http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/schilling-and-mussina-hof-worthy/#comment-1619 I agree with Cliffy that both belong in the Hall of the Very Good, but not Cooperstown. I think Schilling has a better claim than Mussina, and think his post-season record and bloody sock are legitimate factors that should be accorded some weight, but in the end, I think he falls a bit short. I agree with Cliffy that both belong in the Hall of the Very Good, but not Cooperstown. I think Schilling has a better claim than Mussina, and think his post-season record and bloody sock are legitimate factors that should be accorded some weight, but in the end, I think he falls a bit short.

]]> by: Gonzo http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/schilling-and-mussina-hof-worthy/#comment-1616 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:33:38 +0000 http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/schilling-and-mussina-hof-worthy/#comment-1616 BTW - I think that Schilling's 5 year "clock" starts this year, b/c he was on the DL last year and in theory was attempting to play (by rehabbing, etc). So, unless Mussina changes his mind, they will be both be eligble the same year - we'll get a lot of insight about how the voters think BTW - I think that Schilling’s 5 year “clock” starts this year, b/c he was on the DL last year and in theory was attempting to play (by rehabbing, etc). So, unless Mussina changes his mind, they will be both be eligble the same year - we’ll get a lot of insight about how the voters think

]]> by: Cliffy http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/schilling-and-mussina-hof-worthy/#comment-1614 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:28:34 +0000 http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/schilling-and-mussina-hof-worthy/#comment-1614 True... he had the bloody sock in the WS as well - but the drama of "The Bloody Sock" was ALCS Game 6, with the Sox down 3-2 going back to NY, and Schilling have pitched poorly (due to the injury) in Game 2, and thus having the uncertainty of his appearance (nevermind his dominance) in Game 6. Technically, it should be 2-0... but in terms of how most (including myself, admittedly) look at it, there was only one Bloody Sock (in bold) game. I love Schilling... duh. In that now-famous Ford commercial in the winter of 2003-04, after he was traded but before the season even started, he was asked by the driver, "Where ya goin'?" He answered, "To break an 86-year curse." And... he did. He talked the talk, then walked the walk... for my favorite baseball team. Yeah... I always love him for that. However, even including postseason success, his career was just not as good as Mussina's... on whole. Would I rather have Schilling for the fabled "one game"? Um... yeah, I would - but Mussina still put together a better career. More wins (by a lot), more top-6 CYA finishes (by a lot)... just for starters. As mentioned, I don't actually think either belongs - especially as long as guys like Blyleven and Tiant aren't in. No knock against Schilling or Mussina btw... to be in the company of Blyleven and Tiant, barely on the outside, looking in. As for this coming season, Mussina has always seem inclined to do his own thing... in the sense that he'll do what he's comfortable with, despite what convention may dictate. In that vein, I don't think it's a Pedro thing... where he'll only come back if certain amount of money is on the table. Rather, I think he's decided that he's had enough... he's had a good career... and (perhaps the icing on the cake) going out after a 20-win season is the veritable "leaving on a high note". I could be wrong, but that's the sense I get with him. And I tip my cap to him for that. I've always respected an athlete (Barry Sanders also comes to mind) who leaves on his own terms, health intact, because he decides it's just time. True… he had the bloody sock in the WS as well - but the drama of “The Bloody Sock” was ALCS Game 6, with the Sox down 3-2 going back to NY, and Schilling have pitched poorly (due to the injury) in Game 2, and thus having the uncertainty of his appearance (nevermind his dominance) in Game 6. Technically, it should be 2-0… but in terms of how most (including myself, admittedly) look at it, there was only one Bloody Sock (in bold) game.

I love Schilling… duh. In that now-famous Ford commercial in the winter of 2003-04, after he was traded but before the season even started, he was asked by the driver, “Where ya goin’?” He answered, “To break an 86-year curse.” And… he did. He talked the talk, then walked the walk… for my favorite baseball team. Yeah… I always love him for that.

However, even including postseason success, his career was just not as good as Mussina’s… on whole. Would I rather have Schilling for the fabled “one game”? Um… yeah, I would - but Mussina still put together a better career. More wins (by a lot), more top-6 CYA finishes (by a lot)… just for starters.

As mentioned, I don’t actually think either belongs - especially as long as guys like Blyleven and Tiant aren’t in. No knock against Schilling or Mussina btw… to be in the company of Blyleven and Tiant, barely on the outside, looking in.

As for this coming season, Mussina has always seem inclined to do his own thing… in the sense that he’ll do what he’s comfortable with, despite what convention may dictate. In that vein, I don’t think it’s a Pedro thing… where he’ll only come back if certain amount of money is on the table. Rather, I think he’s decided that he’s had enough… he’s had a good career… and (perhaps the icing on the cake) going out after a 20-win season is the veritable “leaving on a high note”. I could be wrong, but that’s the sense I get with him. And I tip my cap to him for that. I’ve always respected an athlete (Barry Sanders also comes to mind) who leaves on his own terms, health intact, because he decides it’s just time.

]]> by: Cliffy http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/schilling-and-mussina-hof-worthy/#comment-1612 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:20:03 +0000 http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/schilling-and-mussina-hof-worthy/#comment-1612 Jakes reply: Bloody sock stat should actually be 2-0, as you'll recall that Schilling's sock was bloodied for his next start in the WS as well (either that or his red marker was still available). Overall, I'd say that Schilling's PS record should get a little more credit than you seem to be giving him. I think there's an intangible factor that involves being able to fill in the phrase "Best ____ of his era." Schilling was the best postseason pitcher of his era. Not saying that makes him a lock for the HOF, but it should push him past the Moose. And as much as I can't stand the Moose, how does he not have a job this year after putting up 20 last year? Is he playing hardball on contract terms? Jakes reply:

Bloody sock stat should actually be 2-0, as you’ll recall that Schilling’s sock was bloodied for his next start in the WS as well (either that or his red marker was still available).

Overall, I’d say that Schilling’s PS record should get a little more credit than you seem to be giving him. I think there’s an intangible factor that involves being able to fill in the phrase “Best ____ of his era.” Schilling was the best postseason pitcher of his era. Not saying that makes him a lock for the HOF, but it should push him past the Moose.

And as much as I can’t stand the Moose, how does he not have a job this year after putting up 20 last year? Is he playing hardball on contract terms?

]]> by: Cliffy http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/schilling-and-mussina-hof-worthy/#comment-1608 Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:58:04 +0000 http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/schilling-and-mussina-hof-worthy/#comment-1608 So... 270 regular-season wins is now the barrier for entry? And... 11 postseason wins is another barrier for entry? How low... how low... how low does it go? As noted, I think both belong in the Hall of Very Good - no higher. No shame in that, btw. So… 270 regular-season wins is now the barrier for entry? And… 11 postseason wins is another barrier for entry? How low… how low… how low does it go?

As noted, I think both belong in the Hall of Very Good - no higher. No shame in that, btw.

]]> by: Gonzo http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/schilling-and-mussina-hof-worthy/#comment-1606 Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:52:52 +0000 http://www.oscargamblesociety.com/schilling-and-mussina-hof-worthy/#comment-1606 They both should get in, though for the different reasons you mentioned - Mussina had the regular season numbers, Schilling more so for his post-seaon success. This is a bit of a tangent, but - Byleven not being in the HOF is truly a mockery of a sham. Seriously. They both should get in, though for the different reasons you mentioned - Mussina had the regular season numbers, Schilling more so for his post-seaon success.

This is a bit of a tangent, but - Byleven not being in the HOF is truly a mockery of a sham. Seriously.

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